Episode 16 - U.S. Manufacturing Today Podcast

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In this episode of U.S. Manufacturing Today, host Matt Horine interviews Merrin Muxlow, a principal at S Industrial with deep expertise in the investment casting industry and involvement with key organizations like the Investment Casting Institute. Merrin discusses the critical role of investment casting in manufacturing, the challenges and trends facing the industry, such as reshoring, offshoring, and consolidation, and the importance of developing a robust domestic industrial base. They also address the significance of workforce development, the need for better integration of tech, and the advantages of strong trade associations. Lastly, Merrin highlights the importance of early talent engagement and calls for a long-term, strategic vision to ensure U.S. industrial independence and success.

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00:00 Introduction to U.S. Manufacturing Today
00:15 Guest Introduction: Merrin Muxlow
01:12 Understanding Investment Casting
02:28 Current Trends in the Casting Industry
03:37 Challenges and Opportunities in the Supply Chain
06:39 The Importance of Domestic Manufacturing
08:31 Revitalizing the Workforce
15:43 The Role of Trade Organizations
27:34 Conclusion and Call to Action

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Episode Transcript

Matt Horine: [00:00:00] Welcome back to U.S. Manufacturing Today, the podcast powered by Veryable where we talk with the leaders, innovators, and change makers, shaping the future of American industry, along with providing regular updates on the state of the industry, the changing landscape policies, and more.

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In this episode of U.S. Manufacturing Today we're joined by Merrin Muxlow, a principle at S Industrial, and a seasoned leader in the manufacturing space with deep ties to the investment casting industry, the entire affiliated supply chain and key industry groups like the Investment Casting Institute, the Southern California Manufacturers Association, and California Manufacturing Tech Association.

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As the manufacturing sector undergoes a major transformation from reshoring efforts to structural changes in global steel production. Merrin brings a grounded and visionary perspective on what it means for the American industrial base. It's a significant employer and contributes substantially to the economy, generating over 7 billion in casting value and directly supports over 40,000 U.S. jobs. Meerin, welcome to the show.

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Merrin Muxlow: [00:01:00] Thanks. Thanks, Matt. Thanks for having me.

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Matt Horine: Absolutely. Well, we're excited that you're here today to provide this interesting and very informed perspective on investment casting. So I would love to hear about the industry and what you're seeing today.

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Merrin Muxlow: Great. Yeah. I could talk all day about investment casting. Investment casting. There's a funny quote where it's you're never a certain amount of feet from. Casting. It's basically a process by which metal goods are made. Strong ones, the ones that power everything. So think about things that are like a jet engine or the industrial machinery that's used to make sure that we have clean water or energy. Look at everything metal in the room that you're sitting in, and then think about anything that needs to be either high precision or something that like drives machines, right? That's likely made with a casting process. So he was talking about taking a redeye, lying on an airplane, aerospace and defense, industrials, gas and turbine, like big machines is what casting makes or [00:02:00] intricate machines, like things that power the world basically.That's what it is. So it's a key component of basically like our lives in general. Something that I don't think a lot of people know so much about the, the, like, the backstory for the objects that we use every day, but casting, we couldn't do it without casting.

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Matt Horine: It's one of the things that is so common in manufacturing things that we use in our everyday lives.People dunno how they're made or they feel that it's too distant. And so I'm really excited to dive into the topic with you. We were talking a little bit about metal and casting in general, and people, you know, myself included, have this broad overview of what it is and they use words interchangeably, but there's been a lot of movement in the industry lately.A lot of consolidation, a lot of acquisitions, a lot of change, especially with tariffs and with other economic factors. You know, I, I'm really interested and I think most of our audiences probably as well about the supply chain and what some of these ripple effects are and what we're seeing with two tier two and tier three suppliers changes at the top and how that can be, make or break for these guys.[00:03:00] What's the latest going on with those suppliers?

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Merrin Muxlow: So that's it. Exactly. So the investment casting institute has about 300 members where the technical and trade association for the investment casting industry. And so the boots on the ground of that industry are the foundries, so that's where they actually pour the molten metal, where they make the stuff.And it's super interesting for anybody that hasn't visited a foundry, it's like really cool to go see the stuff being made. So those foundries supply the, the Boeing, the Northrop, the Caterpillar, the John Deere, et cetera. And so there are a couple of trends that we've been seeing. So first being foundries, either closing or consolidating.And so that's in the past, I would say 20 to 30 years. There are a few different reasons for that. There's first just generationally where a lot of these companies, some people started it in whatever year and now they're in their sixties, seventies, even eighties, and perhaps they don't have a child or that wants to take it over [00:04:00] or like a clear succession plan.And so what happens in, in that case is if people wanna transition out, then they look at either selling or rolling them up together. Maybe another larger foundry buys it, as we've seen recently with Cigna cast and FS Precision. That's one thing.

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So the other is just offshoring this production, which is a trend that's been happening for the past 30 plus years too.So sending casting production over to like China or India versus doing it domestically, and there are obviously like a whole host of problems with that. If you think about if you're making aerospace parts or parts for the DOD and outsourcing of ip. Well, kind of one of the missions of the investment casting institute is to the make sure that people know, hey, there are businesses that do this domestically.There are plenty of them that have excellent capability. That have all of those years of like legacy institutional knowledge, which is frankly priceless for something like this. Like it's not really something you can just transition over to, oh, robots can do it all tomorrow. AI [00:05:00] can do it. It's not that.So that's another trend. Another trend is something that is, is like tech saying that it's going to quote, replace castings, but there's also this thing where it can definitely augment it, right? So that's where you see stuff like metal 3D printing or companies that will make the tooling for casting or that can make a production consumable That's within the casting process.Another is bigger companies bringing a foundry in-house. So a lot of these big, like private aerospace companies or even others there, there are plenty of others that rather than say, okay, we don't wanna necessarily outsource to these A, B, C suppliers because. Maybe that one guy might go out of business, maybe they have to train up, have a bench of them, so they just bring the whole entire thing in-house and say, okay, we're gonna have our own casting foundry.So that kind of consolidation has hurt the supply chain general because then there's not that cross pollinization of, okay, who's adopting this new tech and how is that working for you? If everything's [00:06:00] siloed, it doesn't progress as fast or as much, and that's not good for the industry at large. That creates that old man in the sea problem, right?Where you have the one on the hook.

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Matt Horine: It's an excellent point to be made because we see it all the time in manufacturing, you know, you know, consolidation or vertical integration or however you describe it, can lead to some of this components not being as well diversified, which kind of detracts from the industrial base, uh, where, you know, that knowledge goes in house or it becomes, you know, kind of ownership of one organization and, and we don't have a diverse ecosystem as we could.You touched on a couple of other points that are really interesting and we talk a lot on this show about reshoring and reindustrialization. To your point, what does the stronger domestic steel and casting capability mean for the broader goal of U.S. industrial independence?

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Merrin Muxlow: We need to be able to make things and make things domestically, make things here, make things where the IP is not a risk. Also make sure that we are self-sufficient as a [00:07:00] country. And I think that kind of, I was talking with another person the other day, another woman that's in Georgia. We had this long conversation about that's what defines us as Americans is this idea of self-sufficiency. So I think having a robust industrial base means that we're not at the mercy of other countries or supply chain disruptions. Like we saw that during COVID, right? Where if you can't get one thing, then that's one domino knocking over, where then there are like six different things down the line that are gonna go wrong. And with manufacturing where it's all plotted out, really interconnected of not being able to get like one bracket.Can keep military airplanes on the ground for months. So like we have to have that base. It has to be a deep bench of small to mid-tier suppliers to that industrial base. That's what creates like that robust capability to be able to make things quickly. And I know that there's a lot of talk about o factories of the future and everything be [00:08:00] digitized and, and that's true.I think that's good. That's, and a lot of the more future in tech forward foundries, like they're making big strides, which is great, but there just needs to be more. There's this company, it's called Trump. It's like a laser company, and they make these big lasers for like metal additive machines. And one of the conversations that I always have when I go to their events, which are great, is some people are like, why can't we just have more foundries?Like, why do we have to reinvent the wheel like 3D printing from the ground up? And so I think that it's a good time to be a smaller, medium industrial supplier right now. Another issue that we didn't touch on before is this idea of talent. And that's something. That is a top concern for a lot of these suppliers and why they're either thinking of selling or the bigger ones, bringing things to house.It's just like leadership development is just a major thing right now.

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Matt Horine: No, absolutely. You know, we talk about it all the time at Veryable. There's always a conversation in the broader manufacturing space about a shortage of workers, and we [00:09:00] fundamentally believe that it's more about access to the types of businesses, the types of companies that you're talking about now, where that handoff and that knowledge transfer tend to take place, uh, and opening it up.And so legacy industries in particular, like what we're talking about today. How are they modernizing without losing what really makes them effective? You know, it's kind of this old school process. You alluded to this one small component that can have the domino effect on the supply chain. There is rapid digital transformation, but you know, like most things, they're buzzwords.We hear that all the time. It's, you know, it's AI going to do this or, you know, one point it was, is blockchain going to do this? And it's kind of the fundamentals. Always, the fundamentals always stick around, you know. So I guess the, the bottom line is how do they. Modernize and do this the right way without losing what really makes them effective.

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Merrin Muxlow: Everything in life comes down to that last mile of physical delivery. Even software runs on hardware. You have to have the physical stuff, the brackets, the turbines, the heat exchangers to run [00:10:00] all those for the data centers. Casting makes this. To be able to get the talent into casting foundries. There are a couple of things that have to happen.So first there, I think that American manufacturing is in the middle of kind of a renaissance, but it needs even like a heavier pivot rebrand. I. When I was in, I don't know, like middle school, every 12-year-old girl wanted to be a marine biologist. I think about that sometimes. It's super funny where it's, was there just some famous marine biologist on TV or something?Why was that a shared goal? It's just a matter of marketing, like we really can. Emphasize the fun parts about manufacturing, which include making things being creative and how you make things. Having a physical object where you can point to that and say That rocket is in the sky because of something that I did.That is cool. There, there's this perception, a lot of it, of legacy manufacturing like that it's Mordor and it's gonna give you cancer, and that's how my grandpa got the black lung. So no thank you. I'm gonna go be opera engineer [00:11:00] In touring a lot of these facilities, like it's not that. It's not that at all.It's sure there's a component of like physical heavy lifting work that's part of it. But that's something where a lot of facilities have robots doing that. So someone who's, I don't know, 110 pound little person like me, you could. Still contribute to that. So it needs to be rebranded as something that can be really fun and cool and make things like that, like how it's made vibe.The second is resourcing it. So there are a lot of programs right now.

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There's one, there's the Navy talent development pipeline where they actively are throwing resources at getting people into doing this kind of work to be able to learn about it. Let's just be honest. If anybody who has worked in a metal casting foundry or who has worked in hands-on talent, even if they wanna go become a mechanical engineer, they're gonna be 10 x better of one if they did that before.So there's that piece. There's another program that's through I ame, the Composites Institute called Metal. The ICI actually has a nice partnership with [00:12:00] them. And then there's another group called the Foundry Education Foundation through Steel Founders is heavily into that, where it's giving resources, meaning like money, how to make an apprenticeship program, all of that stuff for these mid-tier suppliers so that they can lift up that next generation of talent.It's just starts earlier. It's also, kids need to be in wood shop when they're eight and in metal shop when they're 10. And be able to change the oil on their car when they're 15 and just know how physical things are made. And the sooner that we can start doing that, the better.

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Matt Horine: Yeah, absolutely. You know, you hit on a couple of other key points there, because I think there's this realization that it's really, it's a national security concern.Not being able to make our own stuff. And it's not just the defense industrial base, it's that over-reliance. And where does it start? It probably starts in elementary and middle school. Uh, we had a great guest on a couple weeks ago and they were talking about where the future skilled traits people are right now.And I think his guest said they're in the eighth grade. You know, that's the [00:13:00] future of where this is going. It's not something that can be turned overnight, just like it wasn't, you know, sent out into globalization overnight. That's a 30 year and decades long process where we. We based ourselves and moved away from making things, and now we're awakening very quickly to the fact that key and critical industries don't have the type of pipeline for talent or the type of interest at large about how we make and build stuff.But that's how we've gotta get back to it. And. It's just one of those things that you look at anything and you can spot check almost any industry. Uh, our ship building capacity, for instance, is absolutely abysmal. You know, you look at China and they're building ships at military grade, you know, even their commercial vessels.And so when you, when you think about that type of national importance behind what we do and how foundational it is, not only to our defense, but our survival and prosperity in the future, it's pretty critical. So those are really great points.

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Merrin Muxlow: I mean, if you think about it like the U.S. is a young country, China is an old culture, as is [00:14:00] like India.If you wanna think of like the scale of, if each country culture was like a human being, like how old they would be, I feel like the United States would be something like a, like an older teenager. And so perhaps not necessarily a lot of long-term thinking. Perhaps also it's if you have a thousand year plan of like, we need to bake this into our culture, that we are self-sufficient, that we make things that we know how to make things like physical objects in real space.We just have to do that. I think there was a huge shift. I, when I talk about it with my parents, often, like the generation right after them where it's, no, nobody wants to go do a job like that. You need to go be a doctor, a lawyer, an engineer, something where like you can sit in an office and then ironically, it's like AI replacing those jobs.The first. Which is not, I think anything that anybody could have predicted, but, and like we all have to have a body, we all have to eat. Like we all wanna go visit our family somewhere, maybe drive a car, fly in an airplane. And so considering careers that facilitate those things and those careers are fun and cool.[00:15:00]

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Matt Horine: You make a really great point. I think about my grandparents when, you know, you kind of mentioned that, that societal shift over the past several decades. My grandfather was a classic, greatest generation profile. Grew up in a small rural town, served in World War ii, came back, worked at a manufacturing facility for his whole life, made great pay and retired.And the reason he retired is because it was offshore. Uh, his plant was offshore. And so we've seen that play out over the course of decades. And so there's this just this great urgency to it. And you know what people like you are highlighting, it's really important and it's, it's gotta be a conscious decision by people.In the industry, but you know, the country at large. And so that's really the next step for all of this in, in terms of the reindustrialization movement. Pivoting now a little bit. You know, I wanted to highlight some of the associations that you're part of and some of the organizations, because that's really where a lot of the critical work gets done and the part of the country that you're in.We like to highlight from where guests are from. And so we'll start maybe there and then please tell us about, you know, the investment [00:16:00] casting institute and others. But California isn't always the first place people think of when they hear manufacturing, but there's a rich ecosystem there. It actually, if I remember correctly, has the most manufacturing jobs in the country by way of, you know, being innovative and being one of the largest state in the country, but would love to get what the latest is.

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Merrin Muxlow: On that, I sit on the small-Medium Manufacturer's Committee for the California Manufacturing and Technology Association. California has a robust, wonderful manufacturing economy where I think a lot of people don't realize I'm in San Diego, in Southern California. Part of that, I think is those types of organizations, like the trade organizations are the connective tissue in being able to transfer knowledge.It's not just, oh, networking or whatever else, it's, you can figure out like what's working and what's not working. Plus, design and engineering can sit right next to manufacturing, which I think is key for anything like, especially for technological advances. So. It's good that we have the tech ecosystem, Silicon Valley, there are a [00:17:00] bunch of these companies popping up that are in the hardware space or tech for manufacturing.And when you have a local commons like that, it just raises everything so much faster, which we would love to see that kind of extend to the rest of the country. That would be great. And California also has a lot of aerospace stuff and a lot of those aerospace companies have really good apprenticeship programs, and so that's something that could be a lesson as well.And so that that's something that we're trying to bake in with the ICI with the Investment Casting Institute as well, is often it's in places where you wouldn't necessarily expect, and sometimes it is that foundry corridor that's like Indiana, Ohio, et cetera. That's the main belt for casting in the us.But really there are castings and places that use castings and machine shops and everywhere. And the more of them that we can have, the better off We all are. I think that's an often overlooked opportunity.

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Matt Horine: Right? Absolutely. I mean, there's a lot of talk in the [00:18:00] news about companies investing in the United States, and we kind of talk about these in terms of numbers.You know, X amount of billions of dollars being invested by this company. I. The supply chain and everything that's adjacent to it sometimes is an afterthought. You know, I saw recently, I believe it's Hyundai building a facility and they had to build a foundry next to it if, if I recall correctly, in Louisiana.So that type of thinking, it just doesn't seem to pop up. But I, I'm sure it catches your eye when they're talking about building the foundry and some of the supply chain and critical material around it.

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Merrin Muxlow: That's actually a really interesting piece that goes back to building the wheel, like reinventing the wheel or like building it from scratch, right?Is because there aren't enough to be able to necessarily acquire them and a lot of them go in, okay, we can build our own, and then not really realizing that is extraordinarily hard and that there's like a bunch of institutional knowledge that would need to transfer. That there are plenty of foundries that would be wanting to do that work, perhaps in other [00:19:00] parts of the country.Just being able to know about it and the more that the industrial base can talk with and to each other. The better off we will be. Like the less siloed. That's why it's, that's why trade organizations are so important is because that's where those conversations are taking place. Somebody that's from, I don't know, Japan or Korea or coming over, oh, where should I, where can I build this?That's how you get to know where those things are if you're Hyundai. The other funny thing about Hyundai, I think there was that news piece about the robots. Then like they own the robot company. So it's like just like buying the robots from themselves.

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Matt Horine: Yeah. All, all of this works is, it's always, there's something kind of under the layer of it, but I think to your point, those local national trade associations or group associations help bridge the gap between policy and workforce and the day-to-day operations of what companies actually do.So it's critical work. Tell us more about the investment casting institute in particular. I know that's something that you're, you work with and are very passionate about. Um, how many members and, and who all do they represent?

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Merrin Muxlow: So, ICI, we've got about 300 [00:20:00] members. It's a global organization. It's open to really anybody within the investment casting supply chain.So it's foundries those that are actually doing the casting suppliers to Foundry. And then we now have a new category of member that's customer member. So the idea of a customer member, that would be something like a Caterpillar where they are sourcing castings from a variety of different foundries or maybe building up their own internal r and d to have this kind of a casting process.We do have a few members that are doing that. And we do have confidential members. So it's something that if you are building that bench, building that base, but you don't want your name splashed as, yes, we're doing that. That's an option as well. Just for the technical knowledge. And it's a, it's an interesting one.There are so many things 'cause it's a physical world, right? So we went and toured recently a facility that's up in la it's fico. The air here is dry in Southern California, so the [00:21:00] shells that are on the outside of the casting pattern, the wax pattern, those dry completely differently versus somewhere.Another one that I toured was by Mac in Ohio, where they have a bunch of fans going. So it's entirely based on climate, and then you have to think about like the air conditioning or climate control if you need it. And then those components are made via casting. So it's like this whole circular thing when you think about it and just getting people to think about how does this actually function in the physical world, is what I'm trying to put out into the world with all of my work as is the ICI, where those parts on an airplane are critical components and you can't wait for them.They can't be something where it's okay, we can get that for you in three months, or maybe let's just try to 3D print it and see if that works. Just in returning to that whole idea of workforce talent, the next generation being in the eighth grade, there are a lot of organizations doing really good work around that now, [00:22:00] and one of them is the Steel Founder Society.They run a competition called Cast in Steel, where the students make swords like. Lord of the Rings, intricate swords. I think it's actually on regular TV now for the Forged, forged In Fire as a TV show. We need more of those things. For people being able to see how fun and interesting and cool it is to design and make something like from start to finish, have an idea of what it a physical thing will be, and then actually go out and make that a, A lot of groups are doing a really good job of doing that.The metal boot camps, steel Founder Society, among them,

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Matt Horine: you know, to that point, where do you see momentum on the workforce front? Where are we really stuck right now? I think that would be a really great area to highlight because there are just, like you said, those things that are starting to appeal to younger generations and people that are, you know, looking at manufacturing as a career track where maybe 10, 20 years ago they weren't.Where's are most of the industry kind of stuck right now?

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Merrin Muxlow: There's [00:23:00] like a push and pull. So I, ICI had a symposium, it was last week called Advanced Manufacturing for Investment Casting. We had a couple of really good panels. One that was on workforce and talent. People are stuck on whose responsibility is this?So the bigger companies say you're like Efron or Boeing or a bigger company like this, you obviously want the people or even a second tier if you're Ed Aerospace underneath that. Those companies need to be saying, we need this in terms of skillset. That's what we're looking for. Even I saw Palantir is having, they want like high schoolers now that's, I think like this.It's a spitball, but like why not? Why not try that? I know that, I think it's, Lockheed has a nice apprenticeship program as well where it's, if you wanna get the people in, you have to start getting them younger. You have to start actively. Knowing what you want the skillset to be, and then figuring out how do they acquire that skillset, either through your own company, internally, or by working with a [00:24:00] university, a community college, a trade association, a program like metal or steel founders, to be able to have the people not only acquire those skills, but acquire the interest to acquire those skills.I think it's really reductive and dumb. When people say, oh, everybody just wants to be an influencer. Everybody just wants to be on Instagram. That's false. Like kids are smart and especially this new generation, they're smarter than us. They want to go do interesting things, but they need to know how to do that because they are kids.

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Matt Horine: Right. No, that's I You bring up a really interesting point and something we see at Variable all the time is we'll hear groups say there's not a talent pipeline to this, or there is a skilled worker shortage. They'll think that our platform, or you know, the larger manufacturing movement, whatever you want to call it, is just going to provide this and serve it up.Or an association is just gonna provide it and serve it up, and usually it's. Take a look in the mirror. You're the ones that that have the need. You have to [00:25:00] invest, you have to build this yourself. And I've heard it from associations across the country where that's a common thing. Not just manufacturing businesses, but all businesses.'cause it's easy to, it's very easy to say they just want to be influencers. They want to have, you know, 10 years ago it was a YouTube channel or they want to be famous, which is also something that that comes up and. You know, my experience is no, they want access to work and fast pay and being in a merit-based system where they're learning something, they're getting great feedback, and they know that they're building something important because they are smart and they want to be part of something like this.So to your point, I think that's really spot on. It's what we see a lot of the times where people say, where are the workers? And it's like, what are you doing to bring the exact type of worker to your organization?

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Merrin Muxlow: Yeah, that's it. Exactly. And. Firstly, there's bringing the person into your organization. The second thing is you have to be able to grow your own stars, like within your own organization.So it's not just an outsourced responsibility of let's just acquire this [00:26:00] person and this skill set. There's also a piece of, no, you have to develop that person as well. And I think that there's, there's a little bit of a gap there right now. In terms of internal talent development, we had a panelist, John in Willer. His company is called a IT Business Solutions at AM for ic. He's putting to, he, he runs programs like this. He's done it for like other, like bigger organizations also. And now is having one that's geared towards like small and mid-sized suppliers because there's like such a need for that where it's okay, we have some people who are excited to build and make things.How do we make sure that they have buy-in, that they find, meaning that they gel as a group that, and that actually makes our company be profitable, where like they can share in that. That's what this next generation of people as I like, I'm like an old millennial, but it doesn't, everybody want that. They want a job where it's like they feel like they're doing something good for society.They feel valued, [00:27:00] they feel like purposeful, feel part of a team, and I. So if people don't feel that way, then they're just not gonna go work in manufacturing. They're gonna go work in tech or something like that. So maybe that's part of the issue as well, right?

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Matt Horine: No, it's, they've gotta see that path in manufacturing and you know, they can go work in tech, but I don't know how much fulfillment they'll get out of it.It's as much as making something with your hands or, you know. Well, we hear oftentimes from guests and people in the industry and organizations like yours. The fulfillment of it is so exciting for people who live it and do it every day on the ground. And build it from the ground up. And so just final thoughts.What's your call to action for the American manufacturing community today? If there's something that is missing or specifically for the industry, what are your thoughts on that?

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Merrin Muxlow: What's our thousand year plan? Man, I. How do we become an old culture? How do we become a culture where people truly are self-sufficient, knowing how to make things?It starts with collaborating with each other. Firstly, it starts with having this connective tissue of like really [00:28:00] sound and respected and attended trade organizations, trade events. 'cause that really is where it's not like threatening in a way, right? That's where you can go and have industry collaborate.So a lot more people need to be joining a trade technical or a trade association. A lot more companies, especially the big dogs, need to be joining those. That's how they can get the talent. That's how they can get access to the innovation. That's how they can become part of that connective tissue where we all lift up together.And thousand year plan starts with, there's this saying that I like love. I think it's. The philosopher Seneca. I might have to fact check myself on that, but like society grows great. When old men plant trees in his shade, they know they will not sit.

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Matt Horine: Absolutely. That's I, I think, you know, we talk about it a thousand year American Empire for all of our industry and what we want to do and really build for the future.It's something that I hope that we're finding the way back to and something that it sounds like your organization is very involved in. Where can our listeners go to find out more about you and your efforts?

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Merrin Muxlow: [00:29:00] So in terms of more about the Investment casting institute, we are: investmentcastinginstitute.org. I am Merrin Muxlow. I'm probably the only one with that strange name. Go ahead and look me up and get in touch and then I can put you in touch with any of these other organizations that I'm affiliated with as well.

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Matt Horine: That's awesome. Merrin, thank you for joining us today.

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Merrin Muxlow: Thank you so much.

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Episode #16: The Criticality of Foundries and Investment Casting: Industry Trends with Merrin Muxlow

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